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Please Care About the Factory's Effect on the River

No Matter Where You Live

Let’s imagine a town, where the river is the main source of fresh water for everyone. Then, one day, someone builds a factory, near the middle of the river. A side effect of what the factory produces, is that it releases toxic waste into the river. The owners are aware of this – but they won’t do what’s needed to clean it up, as it would cut into their profits.

  • How would you feel about buying the factory’s products?
  • And would it matter if you lived upstream or downstream from it?

Blog posts about Substack

Today I read John Gruber’s blog post Regarding – and, Well, Against – Substack, which also linked to Anil Dash’s post “Don’t Call It a Substack”.

We constrain our imaginations when we subordinate our creations to names owned by fascist tycoons. Imagine the author of a book telling people to “read my Amazon”. A great director trying to promote their film by saying “click on my Max”. That’s how much they’ve pickled your brain when you refer to your own work and your own voice within the context of their walled garden. There is no such thing as “my Substack”, there is only your writing, and a forever fight against the world of pure enshittification.

Anil Dash

This is a great point – and all three of us are in agreement here!

A slight disagreement

However, while I have a slight (and perhaps unimportant) disagreement with the next quote from Dash, I strongly dislike Gruber’s comments on it.

Substack is, just as a reminder, a political project made by extremists with a goal of normalizing a radical, hateful agenda by co-opting well-intentioned creators’ work in service of cross-promoting attacks on the vulnerable. You don’t have to take my word for it; Substack’s CEO explicitly said they won’t ban someone who is explicitly spouting hate, and when confronted with the rampant white supremacist propaganda that they are profiting from on their site, they took down… four of the Nazis. Four. There are countless more now, and they want to use your email newsletter to cross-promote that content and legitimize it. Nobody can ban the hateful content site if your nice little newsletter is on there, too, and your musings for your subscribers are all the cover they need.

Anil Dash

Substack is the factory in my simple analogy at the top. And “normalizing a radical, hateful agenda” is the toxic waste in the river. My small disagreement, is that I don’t think the factory was made with the purpose of polluting the river.

Some might say that’s an unimportant distinction, and that what matters is that they don’t care that they’re doing it. And I get that! My point is that I don’t want to give people the opportunity to think, “Of course they didn’t create an entire factory just to pollute 🙄 – so let me disregard all the points about the factory’s effect on the river."1


Gruber’s post also shows another way this type of hyperbole can be unhelpful:

I think Substack sees itself as a publishing tool and platform. They’re not here to promote any particular side. It makes no more sense for them to refuse to publish someone for being too right-wing than it would for WordPress or Medium or, say, GitHub or YouTube. Substack, I think, sees itself like that.

John Gruber

Technically, I think he’s right here.2 But Dash’s (I believe, exaggerated comment) allowed the discussion to be dragged into Substack’s intent rather than effect – which is not unimportant, but way less important.3

A large disagreement

However, I really don’t like where Gruber goes next:

What I can say, personally, is that I read and pay for several publications on Substack, and for the last few weeks I’ve tried using their iOS app (more on this in a moment), and I’ve never once seen a whiff of anything even vaguely right-wing, let alone hateful. Not a whiff. If it’s there, I never see it. If I never see it, I don’t care.

John Gruber

Gruber doesn’t even try to dispute that the factory is poisoning the river. The only thing he’s saying is that, as someone who lives upstream from it, he doesn’t care whether it pollutes. His water tastes good, so why should he care?4

He also adds a footnote, saying that he doesn’t judge a social media platform on whether there are objectionable people on them, but whether or not he notices. And, again, I think he overemphasises his own experience.

Let me be clear: Everyone’s personal experience does matter. Choosing not to be a platform, for instance because you’re getting harassed, is of course perfectly valid. What I’m saying is that the total amount of harassment happening on a platform (or other negative consequences something produces) should also matter, even though you aren’t affected by it personally. And this is especially important if you’re, say, a straight, white cis man, like myself (and John Gruber).

Joaqin Windmuller said it well, in the blog post, Just Because You Don’t See It Doesn’t Mean It Isn’t There and Doing Harm.


  1. However, I totally get that Dash probably wrote this in a bit of righteous anger. And in cases like that, you sometimes lose a bit of nuance! ↩︎

  2. Even though he fails to see the very important point that Substack has taken a much more active role than something like WordPress. ↩︎

  3. But again: My objections towards Dash are minor. ↩︎

  4. Now, he might also think Substack doesn’t have a negative effect to the degree Dash does. But he doesn’t say that. ↩︎